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titleMeeting Minutes 2023/08/02

PD validation update + lessons learned @jenna k

  • Power rails were up at first, encounter smoke

  • Observed current spike on display of pwr supply, board started smoking

    • Intermittent issue, happened 3rd time immediatly but not first 2

    • Zener diode was shorted between pwr/gnd

    • Something else was smoking but it still works

  • 3v3 from CB was at 1.8V

    • 12V*0.042A = 0.5W

    • Replaced CB connector which fixed the issue

  • 5v outputs 5v5, should be 5v2 based on FB

  • In the future to set low current limit when powering boards

Update from ASC @Jonathan Xie

  • Basically okay, small brained some things but we good?

  • Stated only issue was can’t power steering and drive

LV Power Distribution

  • Quiescent draw of AFEs from main pack

Current sense architecture @Soumav Maiti @Mitchell Ostler

  • Pass relay power through for cutoff

MCI/transition to drive state @Forest Zhou @Mitchell Ostler

Press button to drive, what happens?

  • Enable HSD to MCI

  • MCI triggers precharge start

  • Precharge closes motor contactor once complete

  • MCI reads precharge complete

  • Drive mode indicator comes on in CC

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titleBattery Box

Pack Design

  • Went with module design since we did it for msxiv

  • Device on number of modules first → drives number of series/parallel cells

  • 2x4+1 config

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titleMeeting Minutes 2023/07/19

Solar Testing

  • Solar panel connected to MPPT

    • 7x4 stack, 1 mppt, connected to dc load

    • Panel lying flat with protective film

    • dc load set to 25V, 60W as measured at load with no clouds

    • Dropped to 45W with clouds

  • Compared with protective film vs without 100W vs 125W without

    • 56 cells (200W max → 63%)

    • Voc -> 19v

    • Isc → recorded

    • Both MPPTs connected series

  • Alastair Correya (Unlicensed) to update confluence tmrw

  • Tested with batteries as well, similar power to eload

  • Spoke with Elmar, set output pot so that they are proportional to stack sizes

Battery Box Board Mounting

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titleMeeting Minutes 2023/07/12

Participants:

Lights

  • Strongly consider use reference lights if they can solve for brightless while being within aerobody

  • Decision on custom vs ref lights pending response from regs

BMS

Questions

  • do we pull over

    • What do we do to swap

  • Are all the things we have BPS since they control BPS

  • Justify why all the components are required for safe startup

AUX

  • To ask if we can keep driving if aux dies

    • Assuming relay is redundantly powered, are any of the other loads drive critical

    • We think not, we can keep driving if aux dies pending regs

  • UVcutoff isn’t pwoered on startup, add output to a load switch on PD

    • Otherwise you cycle if aux batt is dead

  • CC should be on during startup since its the central fw element

    • Also in case of BMS fault during statup we want to have indicator on CC

  • Ask regis if we can power PS CC PD UVC + other things (what is included in BMS)

  • Aux batt needs to go in a battery enclosures

    • Ask about process of swapping aux

Power Up Logic

  • Fill in later

Active SCP

  • In firmware from current sense to carrier ~10-15ms

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titleMeeting minutes 2023/07/05

Participants: Former user (Deleted) Mohamed Goha Jonathan Xie Owen Li Shem Kim

Dashboard

  • Steering stalk is super huge and blocks the whole thing

    • Alternate idea to have console on one side and display on the other, with ventilation behind the wheel

  • Ben came up with a new design and it seems to fit tho? Mohamed Goha can you check

    • Need to decide estop location

  • Can we just use an iPad?

    • Yes, but we need to make an app and have the rear camera feed streamed to it

    • More effort than its worth

Power Distribution Location

  • Two primary options: under the seat and in the front

    • Under the seat is the most “central”, optimal for harnessing but hardest to access. It is the furthest point from the outside and you need to climb in for access

    • Want to prioritize serviceability, will have PD on top of chassis in the front

Startup and Power Switches

  • External estop switch will be in the rear b the lights/cam, will be normally closed

  • Internal estop will be flight switch like device accessible to the driver, can go to the left of the main display

  • Proposed startup sequence, changes required

  • PHASE 1 (initial start-up, before HV pack is engaged):

    1. In order for Main Power Switch relay to be engaged, it needs to receive power and signal from the AUX batt

    2. aux batt needs to first flow through the N.C. rear switch in the back of the car (external E-stop), as well as the front switch (N.O), which is located next to the driver. Closing this switch is 'phase 1' of the power-up sequence

    3. AUX power flows through UV cutoff, which currently has active protection to cut off the power if its voltage is too low

    4. AUX flows into Power Select, which through pure hardware, selects the power source used to power the LV system. The priority is JUMP > DCDC > AUX

    5. during phase 1 (initial start-up), only AUX is available, so Power Distribution will output power from AUX (purpled line on diagram)

    6. BPS will be powered off this purple line, and will check the status of the main pack. If the main pack is okay, then BPS will close the 'BPS Switch' (N.O. relay, powered by purple line)

    7. If all the above conditions are met, then purple line will power and enable the Main Power Switch relay, activating the HV system

    PHASE 2 (HV pack is engaged, but car is not fully on yet)

    1. Main pack power flows into DCDC, which creates DCDC LV power

    2. Power Select now identifies DCDC is available, and allows PD to distribute DCDC to power the rest of the LV system

    3. Note that the purple line now becomes DCDC, so BPS and BPS Switch are now powered by DCDC. BPS MUST be powered off DCDC after start-up, but BPS Switch doesn't have to, so maybe we can leave it powered by AUX after start-up?)

    4. Fans, horn, telemetry, will always be powered by AUX (unless aux dies, in which... maybe telemetry & horn need to be taken over by DCDC. See Phase 3 #3)

    5. Centre Console is now powered by DCDC, meaning that its buttons and indicators become active.

    6. Pressing the 'POWER' button on

    PHASE 3 (car is fully on)

    1. Motor controllers, MCI, and all other HV and LV systems are enabled.

    2. In the event of a BPS emergency:

    3. BPS will open the BPS Switch, thus cutting the power and signal to the Main Power Switch, thus disabling the HV and DCDC systems

    4. Power Select will now select AUX as the LV power source such that the driver can safely steer to a stop, and the driver + onlookers are notified of the emergency (this require BPS lights, CC, steering, pedal, etc to all still be active and powered off AUX)

    5. Once the car is in a safe place, the driver can disconnect the Front Switch, or someone from outside the car can hit the Back Switch, to fully disable the car

    6. In the event of AUX failing: (which is likely to never happen, because aux batt should last an entire racing segment)

    7. BPS Switch (if we choose to power it off AUX in Phase 2/3) will switch to DCDC as its power source

    8. Horn may have to be powered off DCDC (is it critical to still have horn?)

    9. Telemetry may have to be powered off DCDC (or can the driver just walkie-talkie to the trailing vehicle?)

    10. In the event of both failing:

    11. Car completely dies

    12. To turn off the car:

    13. Press the POWER Button on CC (with brakes pressed?)

    14. Flick the Front Switch to OFF

    Micah Black 
    This looks pretty good. A few thoughts:

    • 5.a. Yes, brakes should need to be pressed, as in all vehicles.

    • You should expand on point 4. Think through what happens if BPS then aux fails, or the other way around. How will you tell what happened, where are the logs, are the failure states latched, etc.

    • 3.b. if aux fails, and you're still driving and want to pass someone at FSGP, you will need a horn (unless regs have changed significantly).

    • 3. Make sure you have an indicator of this somewhere in the car.

    • Think through what happens when someone pushes the e-stop. What happens when it gets re-enabled? What if this re-enabling happens really quickly (i.e. someone bumped the e-stop but it didn't latch - will the car still have power but think it shut down?) Edge cases like this are important to consider.

    • Precharge should be part of your diagram. What happens if something fails during precharge? e.g. car gets half-precharged, then aux does not have enough power left to close the main contactors?

    Forest Zhou  
    @Jonathan Xie The rear estop switch should not be controlling aux power to power select. That needs to directly de-energize the main relays. Otherwise, if you push the estop the car will just go into 3a and keep on running. Also the diagram says msxiv lol (edited)

Aux Batt

  • SOC indicator is not needed tailing car can communicate to driver pack voltage

    • Can also make BPS indicator RGB, for both batteries

    • Or switch main pack voltage display to aux voltage momentarily

  • Maintain active protection, since its pretty simple

Main BMS

Single Motor

  • Too late now

Comms

  • Different from telemetry, telemetry is only for sending vehicle diagnostic data and not for communication with the driver

    • Telemetry is unidirectional, will simply spill can bus data to trailing car and nothing else

  • Communication with driver is to be established via handheld radio?

Power

  • NEED TO REVISIT FOR SUMMER VALUES Calculation of Solar Insolation | PVEducation

  • Power input estimate

    • Theoretical 3.5W/cell * 256 cells = 896W

    • With 4 peak sun hours per day, 896W * 5h = 4.5kWh/day

    • 5kWh pack over 10 days = 0.5kWh/day

      • Battery average current 0.5kWh / 7h / 130V = 0.55A or 0.07A/cell

      • Battery max current 10kW / 110V = 90A or 11.25A/cell

    • Total = 5kWh/day

  • Power budget estimate

    • Solar inefficiency 4.5kWh * 0.95 = 4.275kWh

    • LV power = 30W * 8h = 0.24kWh

    • Motor controller power 4kWh / 7h = 570W

    • Driver power 570W * 0.95 = 540W

  • Speed Estimate

    • Theoretical Aero Cd 0.09, realistic 0.15

    • Frontal area 1.36m2

    • Crr 0.0109

    • Mass 300kg Mohamed Goha is this with the driver?

    • Cruise speed at 540W = 11.2m/s or 40kph

Owen’s Numbers:
HV Battery Pack Specs:

  • 36S8P 

  • 151.2V fully charged (4.2V per cell)

  • 130.68V nominal

  • 58.2 Max discharge continuous current

  • 176A pulse current draw (10sec)

  • 5241.6Wh

Motor Controller Specs: 

  • 160V max continuous bus voltage

  • 122A max continuous bus current

Weight Limit: 

  • 20 kg lithium ion cells

Solar input: 

  • 800W max (guesstimate 300W? 400W?)

Race length: 

  • ~8 days (72h of racing)

  • 13h solar input (12.10.A 9 hour race day, 12.18.B.1 impound time)

  • 13*6 + 11 + 11 = 100h (solar input, not including first race day morning and last race day evening)

Average speed: 

  • 56 - 64 kph (for competitive vehicle FSGP)

  • 48 - 56 kph (for competitive vehicle ASC)

What is our energy budget?

  • 300*100 = 30,000 Wh (solar input)

  • 5241.6 Wh (full capacity battery)

  • (35,241.6 Wh)/ (72h) = 489.47 W

  • 400*100 = 40,000 Wh (better solar input)

  • 5241.6 Wh (full capacity battery)

  • (45,241.6 Wh)/ (48h) = 942.53 W (48h because based on route lengths between checkpoints we don’t need to be driving 9 hours each day)

Calculate power required for cruising speed based on Cd, Crr, mass, etc:

  • Avg Cruising Speed (489.47 W) =  9.5 m/s = 34.2 km/h

  • Avg Cruising Speed (942.53 W) =  14.5 m/s = 52.2 km/h

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